Eli Soriano: “Hindi naman po dating si Satanas eh masama eh! Hindi ho ba?! Hindi naman dating si Satanas eh sinungaling! Kaya lang sya sumama’t naging sinungaling ng sya’ eh mag-paka-sama, at ito’y gawa ng kanyang sarili! Hindi gawain ng Ama ito”

Eli Soriano: “8: 44 ng Juan. Kayo’y sa inyong Amang Diablo at ang mga nais ng inyong Ama ang ibig ninyong gawin. Sya’y isang mama-matay tao buhat pa ng una, at hindi nananatili sa katotohanan sapagkat walang katotohanan sa kanya, napansin po ninyo? Si Satanas hindi dating masama eh! Hindi sya’ dating sinungaling! Ang sabe, sya’y mamamatay tao buhat pa ng una! At hindi sya nananatili sa katotohanan. Kailan po sya’ inatangang mamamatay tao? Buhat pa ng una! Buhat ng paki-alaman nya’ si Eva’t si Adan sa halamanan ng Eden. Hayon, hindi ang wika sya’ nananatili sa katotohanan. Samakatwid ang ibig sabihin, may isang panahon nasa katotohanan si Satanas”

VERSUS:

Eli Soriano: “Si Satanas pala kung Biblia ang pag-babatayan hindi naman naging mabuti kahit kailan. Hindi! Mula pa ika sa pasimula ay nag-kakasala na sya’ eh, sabi ni Juan. Tanungin natin si Jesus. Pakingan natin sa 8: 44 .”

Taga-basa: “Ng Juan. Kayo’y sa inyong Amang Diablo at ang mga nais ng inyong Ama ang ibig ninyong’ gawin. Sya’y isang mamamatay tao buhat pa ng una”

Soriano: “Kailan pa sya’ naging mamamatay tao? Buhat pa ng una. Eh Where in history o what time in history na si Satanas ay maipapakita mong mabuti?”

RESOLVE:

1. Hindi Dating Masama si Satanas

Si Satanas kasi ay dating anghel nanilikha ng Dios noong una. Sa pasimula ang lahat ng mga nilikha ng Dios ay mabuti.

1 Timoteo 4:4 Sapagka’t ang bawa’t nilalang ng Dios ay mabuti, at walang anomang nararapat na itakuwil, kung tinatanggap na may pagpapasalamat: (ADB)

Genesis 1:31 At nakita ng Dios ang lahat ng kaniyang nilikha, at, narito, napakabuti. At nagkahapon at nagkaumaga ang ikaanim na araw. (ADB)

Ang assessment ng Dios pagkatapos niyang nilikha ang lahat ng bagay, kasama na rito ang mga anghel, ay napakabuti. Samakatuwid yung anghel na naging Satanas sa panahong ito ay hindi pa naging masama. Sinitas ni Bro. Eli ang Juan 8:44 at pinapansin ang sinabi ni Cristo na

Eli Soriano: “8: 44 ng Juan. Kayo’y sa inyong Amang Diablo at ang mga nais ng inyong Ama ang ibig ninyong gawin. Sya’y isang mama-matay tao buhat pa ng una, at hindi nananatili sa katotohanan sapagkat walang katotohanan sa kanya, napansin po ninyo? Si Satanas hindi dating masama eh! Hindi sya’ dating sinungaling! Ang sabe, sya’y mamamatay tao buhat pa ng una! At hindi sya nananatili sa katotohanan. Kailan po sya’ inatangang mamamatay tao? Buhat pa ng una! Buhat ng paki-alaman nya’ si Eva’t si Adan sa halamanan ng Eden. Hayon, hindi ang wika sya’ nananatili sa katotohanan. Samakatwid ang ibig sabihin, may isang panahon nasa katotohanan si Satanas”

2. Kahit Kailan Di Naging Mabuti si Satanas

Eh bakit sa kabila na parehong sitas (Juan 8:44) din ang ginamit ay sinabi ni Bro. Eli na

Eli Soriano: “Si Satanas pala kung Biblia ang pag-babatayan hindi naman naging mabuti kahit kailan. Hindi! Mula pa ika sa pasimula ay nag-kakasala na sya’ eh, sabi ni Juan. Tanungin natin si Jesus. Pakingan natin sa 8: 44 .”

Taga-basa: “Ng Juan. Kayo’y sa inyong Amang Diablo at ang mga nais ng inyong Ama ang ibig ninyong’ gawin. Sya’y isang mamamatay tao buhat pa ng una”

Soriano: “Kailan pa sya’ naging mamamatay tao? Buhat pa ng una. Eh Where in history o what time in history na si Satanas ay maipapakita mong mabuti?”

Ang tanong.. Aling time of history ang tinutukoy dyan ni Bro. Eli? Yun bang umpisa ng history ng paglalang o umpisa ng history ng tao? Sa Biblia kasi maraming pasimula.

May pasimula ng paglakad ng Dios

Kawikaan 8:22 Inari ako ng Panginoon sa pasimula ng kaniyang lakad, Bago pinasimulan ang kaniyang mga gawa ng una. (ADB)

May pasimula ng paglalang

Genesis 1:1 Nang pasimula ay nilikha ng Dios ang langit at ang lupa. (ADB)

at may pasimula ng history ng tao

Genesis 1:26 At sinabi ng Dios, Lalangin natin ang tao sa ating larawan, ayon sa ating wangis: at magkaroon sila ng kapangyarihan sa mga isda sa dagat, at sa mga ibon sa himpapawid, at sa mga hayop, at sa buong lupa, at sa bawa’t umuusad, na nagsisiusad sa ibabaw ng lupa. (ADB)

Genesis 2:7 At nilalang ng Panginoong Dios ang tao sa alabok ng lupa, at hiningahan ang kaniyang mga butas ng ilong ng hininga ng buhay; at ang tao ay naging kaluluwang may buhay. (ADB)

Ang binabanggit naman na punto ni Bro. Eli sa Juan 8:44 na walang time sa history na naging mabuti si Satanas ay yung pasimula ng history ng tao

Eli Soriano: “8: 44 ng Juan. Kayo’y sa inyong Amang Diablo at ang mga nais ng inyong Ama ang ibig ninyong gawin. Sya’y isang mama-matay tao buhat pa ng una, at hindi nananatili sa katotohanan sapagkat walang katotohanan sa kanya, napansin po ninyo? Si Satanas hindi dating masama eh! Hindi sya’ dating sinungaling! Ang sabe, sya’y mamamatay tao buhat pa ng una! At hindi sya nananatili sa katotohanan. Kailan po sya’ inatangang mamamatay tao? Buhat pa ng una! Buhat ng paki-alaman nya’ si Eva’t si Adan sa halamanan ng Eden. Hayon, hindi ang wika sya’ nananatili sa katotohanan. Samakatwid ang ibig sabihin, may isang panahon nasa katotohanan si Satanas”

Kaya maliwanag sa pahayag na yan na si Satanas ay inatangang naging mamamatay tao at masama nang panahon nina Adan at Eva samakatuwid … nang pasimula ng history ng tao.

May isa pang sitas bukod sa Juan 8:44 na nagpapatunay sa sinabi ni Bro. Eli na hindi naging mabuti si satanas kahit kailan (kahit kailan sa pasimula ng history ng tao)

Eli Soriano: “Si Satanas pala kung Biblia ang pag-babatayan hindi naman naging mabuti kahit kailan. Hindi! Mula pa ika sa pasimula ay nag-kakasala na sya’ eh, sabi ni Juan..”

Hindi na lang pinakita ng ATD at kinuha na lang yung Juan 8:44 para palitawing kontradiksyon sa isang pahayag ni Bro. Eli sa Juan 8:44 din ngunit sa ibang punto o sitwasyon ginamit ni Bro. Eli. Heto yung sitas:

1 Juan 3:8 Ang gumagawa ng kasalanan ay sa diablo; sapagka’t buhat pa nang pasimula ay nagkakasala ang diablo. Sa bagay na ito’y nahayag ang Anak ng Dios, upang iwasak ang mga gawa ng diablo.

Buhat pala ng pasimula nagkakasala ang diablo kaya tama rin si Bro. Eli nang sinabi niyang hindi naging mabuti kahit kailan ang diablo. Ngunit ang tinutukoy na pasimula rito ay hindi pasimula ng paglalang dahil lahat ng mga nilalang ng Dios sa umpisa ay mabuti ( 1 Tim. 4:4;Gen. 1:31). Ito ay ang pasimula ng history ng tao buhat pa nang panahon nina Adan at Eva ay naging masama na ang diablo kaya sinabi ni San Juan na

1 Juan 3:8 “…sapagka’t buhat pa nang pasimula ay nagkakasala ang diablo.”

Conclusion/Summary:

Walang kontra sa 2 pahayag ni Bro. Eli kung iko-consider ang time element na:

1. Sa pasimula ng paglalang ay hindi pa masama ang anghel na naging Satanas dahil lahat ng nilikha ng Dios sa pasimula ay mabuti (Gen 1:31) at ayon kay Cristo ay hindi lang nanatili sa katotohanan si Satanas na ang ibig sabihin may panahong nasa katotohanan si Satanas na hindi nya lang pinanatilihan (Jn 8:44)

2. Sa pasimula ng history ng tao, mula pa noong panahon nina Adan at Eva ay masama at nagkakasala na si Satanas ayon kay Cristo at San Juan

Jn 8:44 …”Sya’y isang mamamatay tao buhat pa ng una…”

1 Juan 3:8 “…sapagka’t buhat pa nang pasimula ay nagkakasala ang diablo…”

Note: Originally posted by Marina Langit

“The statements were merely in response to the detestable conduct of the ministers of the Iglesia ni Cristo hosting a television program entitled, Ang Tamang Daan,” he said.

In taking Ang Dating Daan off the air, the MTRCB cited Section 3 of Presidential Decree 1986, granting the Board the power to screen, review, and examine all movie and TV programs and to delete materials that it deems morally offensive. Read more

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At this very moment 3 gods are engaged in battle. Yes, that’s right, gods. Today, May 10, 2010, these gods are probably throwing lightning bolts at each other. And these are the god of Pastor Quiboloy, the god of Iglesia ni Cristo of Manalo and the deity of Eduardo Villanueva.

3 different gods

There can be no doubt that these three gods are distinct and separate from each other. The group of Quiboloy believes that their God is the Father Almighty and that Quiboloy is Jesus Christ in the Gentile setting.

Yup, you heard me right, Quiboloy is Jesus Christ. A bastardized version that is. From the official website of the Kingdom of Jesus Christ, the Name Above Every Name (wow, what a long and confusing name), where Quiboloy is the head pastor, it says:

He became His Son because His seed was now firmly implanted in him. At long last, somebody from the fallen Adamic race, who are all concluded under sin, was called a Son. Isaiah 53:10 was fulfilled.

“Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul and offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.”After this, the Father said to Pastor Apollo, “I’ll send you to the world. My children are waiting. You don’t know them. They don’t know you. But when they hear your voice, they will listen to you because my sheep know my voice. You will be my audible voice in the world.”
SOURCE: http://www.kingdomofjesuschrist.org/2/PACQ/life_and_calling2.html

Now, tell me if that doesn’t want to make you puke. What a bunch of fools. In one broadsheet that I recently read, it said Quiboloy has 6 milliion followers. So that’s 6 million idiots. Quiboloy as Christ, come on!

Quiboloy supported “Galing at Talino” Gibo Teodoro. Well Gibo might be smart but it’s sad that the “supposedly” great bulk that would be supporting him are not “matalino.”

The god of the Iglesia Ni Cristo of Manalo is obviously an another god. I studied at UST (the premier Catholic University of the Philippines) and in one of their religion classes they taught us that the INC is considered a pagan denomination. This is because the INCs believe that Christ is only a man an not a god.

There are a lot of things that we could find in the doctrines of the INC that are contrary to the popular Protestant and Born again beliefs, like Felix Manalo being an angel and of course bloc voting.

Here’s a excerpt from ABS-CBN last May 6:

Estrada, who the INC endorsed in the 1998 presidential elections, was out of the equation from the beginning, sources told us. The former President, who was convicted of plunder, broke an agreement with the INC that he would retire from politics if pardoned by President Arroyo.

But Estrada decided to run, embarrassing the sect
SOURCE: http://ph.news.yahoo.com/abs/20100506/tph-how-the-new-iglesia-leader-chose-who-8061bf7.html

That article is interesting because it suggested one reason why INCs have this bloc voting:

For the common good Bloc voting, as practiced by the INC, has been criticized by some quarters for being contrary to freedom of choice and free will. But to the INC, freewill and freedom of choice should take a back seat when the common good is involved.

Politically, bloc voting has become a handy tool in serving the common good of INC members.

They are able to get concessions and favors from government, in exchange for their command votes.
Giving out favors is not surprising for a corrupt government. It’s like a common practice for them. What is disturbing is for a religious sect is to ask for them.

Eduardo Villanueva. They prefer to call him Bro. Eddie Vallanueva. He’s a typical “born-again” pastor with the usual charisma of a leader of a large protestant denomination. Similar to what you see in Amercan TV Evangelists. It all changed when Villanueva’s penchant for politics emerged or was made manifest:

In 1998, The Philippine for Jesus Movement (PJM), an umbrella organization of more than 10,000 Protestant churches or about 3 million members of which Villanueva is the Chairman of the board had declared Jose de Venecia as the “God-mandated next president of the Philippines.” They said that de Venecia “was ordained by the Divine providence to fulfill his vision for the Philippines as a great nation of God.” Jose de Venecia, Jr. …

“The glorious prophetic vision of God for the Philippines is for it to become prosperous and we cannot turn traitor to God’s calling and mandate,” said Villanueva. The prophecy went unfulfilled when de Venecia lost to former President Joseph Estrada.
SOURCE: http://www.statemaster.com/encyclopedia/Eddie-Villanueva

So it appears that this is not the first time that Villanueva made a prophecy regarding politics. He thought that De Venecia was to be President. He was not satisfied in giving a false prediction once. Losing the 2004 elections seemed to be a vague memory for him. But I, yes I, I predict, I prophesy that the third time is still not the charm for Villanueva. Haha.

So we have 3 gods participating in today’s election. The cliche’ that we all have the same God cannot be true. It is illogical. The god that believed that De Venecia was suppose to be president last 1998 could not be the same deity that believes that Davao is new Jerusalem (in case you are not aware, that’s Quiboloy’s god). The god who believed that bloc voting is essential for the good of his church could not be the same god that says that Quiboloy is his appointed son. Unless you believe their god is the devil. That’s a different story altogether.

False Gods

It is not difficult to figure out that these gods are bogus gods. Quiboloy being the appointed son of God is biblically unsound. The concept of having an appointed son cannot be found in the bible. And I don’t think I need to quote to you verses from the bible to prove that a god that gives out false predictions, is not the true God of the bible. And a god that allows his church to be directly involved in politics as to have bloc voting is not only a false god but also a corrupt one.

It’s about 12:50pm now. More than 6 hours ’till election ends. So the fight of these 3 gods is still on. I think the god of the INC already took out an eye from the god of Quiboloy. Let’s see who wins.

Bro. Eliseo Soriano, Filipino preacher on exile, felt vindicated by an award given him by an international social media site that did not pay attention to disinformation about him scattered all over the Internet.

Soriano easily beat Paulo Coelho, the Portuguese famous author in the 3rd Mashable Open web awards competition of 2009.

Pete Cashmore, CEO of Mashable.com, in an e-mail to Ang Dating Daan or The Old Path, the congregation lead by Soriano said, http://www.esoriano.wordpress.com takes its place among the top 50 websites and services of the year, having won the ‘Most Educational to Follow’ category in the Open Web Awards 2009.

Cashmore said the Mashable team, dealt with over 440,000 nominations with over 70,000 nominees and over 780,000 votes for the recent Open Web Awards. Mashable.com, an international social media site, partnered with Motorola this year to bring the 3rd Annual Open Web Awards: Social Media Edition. Reports show that past winners of this international competition include YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, Digg, and iGoogle, to name a few. Read more

Note: Originally posted by Jake Astudillo

He also cared for nothing more than a change of face from one that looked like a bicycle’s seat to one of a handsome-looking elite.

Lastly, he also cared for nothing more than an identification card sporting the name of the highest official of the church organization he belonged to – one that he would betray later on and charge of rape in order to materially survive.All of these have been his passport to stardom – a spotlight he shares with his new organization, the Iglesia ni Cristo (INC) with all the attention of the International Crime Police Organization or INTERPOL.

Daniel Veridiano, alias Puto, the man for whom the Interpol would mobilize to catch his enemy is now the man of the hour – thanks to an all-powerful church group in the Philippines he is now a part of. Read more

Note: Originally written by Jane Abao

Leaders accused of rape

This political trend also extends to other aspects of leadership. The Religious sector can also be influenced by this convenient form of character assault. Eliseo Soriano, a church leader of the Members Church of God International and a host of the international religious program, Ang Dating Daan (The Old path), was accused of rape by an excommunicated member of the sect. Daniel Veridiano, who later converted to another religious sect known for being strongly criticized by Soriano for their false teachings, sued Soriano for rape in September 2005. The case was shortly dismissed due to lack of evidence. The dismissed case was however filed again in higher court by the country’s Department of Justice Secretary, Raul Gonzales, who is not in anyway involved with the case. Read more

Originally posted by VitaminB

On a different perspective, however, a kingmaker isn’t a kingmaker for nothing. Take for example Kakuei Tanaka, the most prominent political kingmaker in Japan. He served as Japan’s Prime Minister during 1972-74. But even after his term, he remained dominant and influential. Even though he got involved in political scandals, he was able to choke the Prime Minister at will without holding a position in the cabinet.

Monetary, arms, and politics are common players in a kingmaker scenario. More often than not, these factors entail negative effects to the government. In the Philippines, however, there is another player: religion. And the effect of this kingmaker, as far as records are concerned, is unexpectedly catastrophic. It is a chain of crimes and power – behind mythical numbers yet. Read more

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